@dooughboy: This isn't the right place to correct someone on spelling is it? We're all skiiers trying to make a better ski, he at least got some footage. My spelling isn't that good either but I try.
Metal edges for freestyle ski: What kind of steel?
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ruudsjoukes
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@falls: thank you. The machine I used to use back in the Netherlands were based on 'time' spend. The time you need to make a stamping pattern with a CNC machine with the length skibuilders would be able to sell them, would be as profitable as the 'regular' edges I think. Have to look into that but I'll give the guys from the CNC shop a call today to see what their price is for the given pattern. If that would be 'the same' then we could easily start making 3D CAD files to try out whatever.
@dooughboy: This isn't the right place to correct someone on spelling is it? We're all skiiers trying to make a better ski, he at least got some footage. My spelling isn't that good either but I try.
@dooughboy: This isn't the right place to correct someone on spelling is it? We're all skiiers trying to make a better ski, he at least got some footage. My spelling isn't that good either but I try.
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doughboyshredder
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Actually, it is. We are trying to communicate with each other here. If someone doesn't make an attempt to use decent English, it makes that communication very difficult.ruudsjoukes wrote:
@dooughboy: This isn't the right place to correct someone on spelling is it? We're all skiiers trying to make a better ski, he at least got some footage. My spelling isn't that good either but I try.
A lot of slack is given to non English speakers. There is no reason to give slack to someone that has English as their primary language and is going to school on a daily basis.
Just my 2 cents on the topic
Edge cracking and other damage is just the reality of hitting rails on skis.
It doesn't matter what brand of skis you use or how thick there edges are. If you are htting round rails and urban style rails you can expect to crack edges. The best you can do is try something like Alex13 suggested so you can take the pressure of the edges themselves and put it on the base. Or to try something like Salomon edge armor(even though it doesn't really work) to stop the edges from falling out after they crack.
And about 4frnts edge stamping pattern, it is really prone to causing delaming and having your edges just slowly fall out of the ski. It has happened to a few people I know including myself.
Edge cracking and other damage is just the reality of hitting rails on skis.
It doesn't matter what brand of skis you use or how thick there edges are. If you are htting round rails and urban style rails you can expect to crack edges. The best you can do is try something like Alex13 suggested so you can take the pressure of the edges themselves and put it on the base. Or to try something like Salomon edge armor(even though it doesn't really work) to stop the edges from falling out after they crack.
And about 4frnts edge stamping pattern, it is really prone to causing delaming and having your edges just slowly fall out of the ski. It has happened to a few people I know including myself.
english is NOT my first language. i was actually born in Poland and moved here when i was 11. so, yeah.doughboyshredder wrote: A lot of slack is given to non English speakers. There is no reason to give slack to someone that has English as their primary language and is going to school on a daily basis.
and twizz said that they use "wider" edges. in the video, it seemed to be that 4frnts free style edge is not as wide as the t- toothed ones.
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twizzstyle
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Most twin tips have edges around, I don't know, 3-4mm wide? Where as skis from yester-year (like 10 years ago) the edges were like 1-2mm wide.a.badner wrote: and twizz said that they use "wider" edges. in the video, it seemed to be that 4frnts free style edge is not as wide as the t- toothed ones.
I don't think there's anything you can do to prevent edge cracking, if you're doing rails its going to happen. If you're worried about having cracked edges, then you need a dedicated pair of rail skis, and a different pair to keep pristine (I haven't read any of this thread since I posted, so I'm not sure what's been said or if I'm off-topic at this point
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doughboyshredder
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My bad. Still there are some basic rules of grammar that you should follow, if you want to communicate through the written word. One of them is to capitalize the first letter of a Sentence. You should try it. It would make your posts much more readable.a.badner wrote:english is NOT my first language. i was actually born in Poland and moved here when i was 11. so, yeah.doughboyshredder wrote: A lot of slack is given to non English speakers. There is no reason to give slack to someone that has English as their primary language and is going to school on a daily basis.
and twizz said that they use "wider" edges. in the video, it seemed to be that 4frnts free style edge is not as wide as the t- toothed ones.
What twizz is referring to is the visible part of the edge, not the mounting tab. Wider and thicker is common for boards and skis that are going to be used on rails. The 4frnt video didn't show anything in enough detail to notice a mm or two difference. The whole purpose of what they were showing is the stamping pattern they use, which I would never use. As Chris A pointed out that pattern creates a weak point in the layup and is prone to de-lamination.
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doughboyshredder
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ruudsjoukes
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Edge Datasheet from CDW
https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0Bz ... y=COu-19EC
The guys were only able to make different edges starting at 2500lbs.
Research still going, going to figure it out in the end.
Heard nothing back from the rubber so far.
https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0Bz ... y=COu-19EC
The guys were only able to make different edges starting at 2500lbs.
Research still going, going to figure it out in the end.
Heard nothing back from the rubber so far.