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finishing the top sheet after pressing
Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 6:52 am
by neatturns
What is the best way to clean up the top sheet after it comes out of the press? Can I use a buffer to with a cleaner or polish to make the top sheet shine? What do you recommend?
thanks
Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:01 pm
by sir.orange
i d cover the topsheet before laying up to prevent any scratches or dirt. maybe with an adhesive foil..
or: use veneer, sand it, oil it!... i m going to leave plastics from topsheets and sidewalls, as it brings always trouble
Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:22 pm
by twizzstyle
Totally depends on what the top sheet is. Are you using plastic? Wood? Nothing at all?
If you want a glossy top, the glossy clear top sheet works great (SBM carries it). You'll be hard pressed to make the semi-clear stuff blank slate sells be glossy.
For wood lots of guys are using polyurethane, I think it's a bit of an art form. Brazen and Skidesmond I think do some of the best wood finishing on the site, their stuff turns out mirror smooth sometimes.
Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:00 pm
by sammer
P-tex topsheet (crown) I've been scrubbing any excess epoxy off with a clean cotton rag soaked in acetone.
Always cover in masking tape when cutting flash and working on bases.
Seems to work for me, YMMV.
sam
i finish the ski with another coat of epoxy
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:24 am
by petemorgan(pmoskico)
I do not use the skibuilder's plastic top sheet. i either use a wood veneer or fabric for graphics.
I have used polyurethan before, and i have also left the ski raw as it comes out of the press. the polyuretahn doesnt seem to give a very protective coat to the wood.
my common tactic is sand the topsheet and sidewalls ect. and then apply another coat of epoxy on top with a paint brush. ( i do not get resulting brush strokes because when the epoxy exotherms, it becomes a gel and smooths out over the ski) the epoxy gives the ski a more durable and long lasting finish than polyurethan...BUT it does come with a downside. to the trained wood-finishers eye, you can see small bubbles in the epoxy... this is a result of the epoxy curing and creating bubbles, and it is a problem that i want to fix....
my method is definitely not the best, but it works well to provide a finish that can get banged around a lot and never chip or scratch the wood.
my goal is to finish the ski still with epoxy but not have the bubbles. any suggestions? I am using west systems, but i am open to trying new epoxy in general...
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:35 am
by MontuckyMadman
i think the west is your problem.
when I did what you suggested with west i had the same problem.
i just did a skim coat last nice with the uv stable entropy made for surface coats and had better results than before.
This was on fabric.
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:01 am
by vinman
For wood veneer I put a skim coat on when I press. I use parchment that gets adhered to the top aluminum skin as mold release. so far this gives me a smooth top sheet after pressing. I do so slight sanding with 120 or 180 grit paper to get rid of bubbles etc before finishing with spar varnish. I do 2-3 brush coats of spar and a final rattle spray can finish with the same spar varnish. This last spray finish give a nice shiny finished look to the top. I'm using minwax helmsman spar for both brushing and spraying.
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:27 am
by skidesmond
Thanks Twizz!
As was mentioned depends what the topsheet is and what is you're cleaning off. To start with I skim coat the topsheet w/ epoxy. I use AL for a cassette and I wax them with a floor wax that has carnauba wax in it. Some of that wax will end up on the topsheet. I use turpentine or mineral spirits to thoroughly clean the top before applying any kind of poly, then lightly sand, then thin coats of poly or liner poly. After a few coats I start buffing the top sheet out starting with 220sand paper, 400 then 0000 steel wool and lastly a buffer with polishing compound used for cars. It might take a 1-2 hrs, but looks so nice. Dust is the enemy.
If you use a clear plastic topsheet Sammer has good advice.
Pete - Are you using the same epoxy on the top as you do in your layup or something like Mirror Coat? I used Mirror Coat once, it definitely gives better protection but it has no UV inhibitors, takes a very long time to dry and picked up a lot of dust. The manufacturer recommends using a torch and pass it over the epoxy to force out the bubbles. I didn't do that and should have. Maybe the drying time would have been faster too, IDK.