Super Sap CPM? What's the deal...
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Super Sap CPM? What's the deal...
I apologize in advance for the probably repeated question, but I have been looking around for quite some time and I am having trouble making any good sense of much of the epoxy talk around here so i decided to clutter the page up more...
Anyways, so I am thinking of going with this:
http://www.entropyresins.com/products/super-sap-cpm
To get me started on my first pair and launch my ski building endeavors.
My questions are the following:
-I was looking at getting the three gallon kit. How many pairs will that last me roughly? And is it worth buying that much at a time or should I go between smaller quantities?
-Does anyone have any experience with the room temperature hardener? I know it is ideal to go with the heated system, but as of now I dont have heat in my press so I was thinking of getting the room temp stuff. will this work or should I bite the bullet and get heat?
Thanks.
Anyways, so I am thinking of going with this:
http://www.entropyresins.com/products/super-sap-cpm
To get me started on my first pair and launch my ski building endeavors.
My questions are the following:
-I was looking at getting the three gallon kit. How many pairs will that last me roughly? And is it worth buying that much at a time or should I go between smaller quantities?
-Does anyone have any experience with the room temperature hardener? I know it is ideal to go with the heated system, but as of now I dont have heat in my press so I was thinking of getting the room temp stuff. will this work or should I bite the bullet and get heat?
Thanks.
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CPM is meant to be used in a heated press 30min@ 180d for cure.
If you use the room temp hardener your looking at 7days@ 77degrees for cure.
If your not using heat try: http://www.entropyresins.com/products/super-sap-1001000
If you use the room temp hardener your looking at 7days@ 77degrees for cure.
If your not using heat try: http://www.entropyresins.com/products/super-sap-1001000
~ Matt
The TDS of the CPM system also shows the properties for the 100/1000 system vice versa, which can be a little confusing.
If you order CPM you will get the HVA hardener that needs 180F to cure.
Just order the 100/1000 system...it's the same resin just with the slow hardener.
as for the amount of epoxy needed: i use 0,2-0,25 gal for one snowboard (160cm with 22oz triax)
If you order CPM you will get the HVA hardener that needs 180F to cure.
Just order the 100/1000 system...it's the same resin just with the slow hardener.
as for the amount of epoxy needed: i use 0,2-0,25 gal for one snowboard (160cm with 22oz triax)
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I thought it was all the same stuff the cpm just has a heat activator in it which gasses toxic VOC BTW, the only toxic part of all the stuff.
I can build 5 pair per 1.5 gallon of 188cm fat skis with 22oz triax with this resin.
You will have to press for over 8 hours under pressure I bet to cure the room temp stuff and then let sit for several days until cutting/flexing.
I can build 5 pair per 1.5 gallon of 188cm fat skis with 22oz triax with this resin.
You will have to press for over 8 hours under pressure I bet to cure the room temp stuff and then let sit for several days until cutting/flexing.
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that's right...with the CPM viscosity drops as soon as it's heated.
@MadRussian: you're confusing a few things here. All the epoxy systems use the same base epoxy resin called 100! the only difference are the hardeners. so if you order the CPM system, you will get the 100 resin and the CPM hardener, which is always a fast heat curing hardener. The 100 resin /1000 hardener combo is the same resin just with the room temp cure hardener.
there is no CPM system with slow hardener!
@MadRussian: you're confusing a few things here. All the epoxy systems use the same base epoxy resin called 100! the only difference are the hardeners. so if you order the CPM system, you will get the 100 resin and the CPM hardener, which is always a fast heat curing hardener. The 100 resin /1000 hardener combo is the same resin just with the room temp cure hardener.
there is no CPM system with slow hardener!
My rule for epoxy is to weigh all of the "loose" parts for the board, vds,FB,CF etc and match that weight with the resin +10% for my comfort level. Works perfect...parts weigh one pound, mix 18oz resin. This will also give you a quick way to estimate resin costs and know exactly how many pieces you'll get for any given quantity.
"86% of the time it works 100% of the time".
I just weigh the fibrous materials. I don't weigh core, inserts, edges base or topsheet (I do but for other reasons) to use in this formula as they don't require soaking to wet out. Like I say, it's perfect so far. What defines loose, I guess I meant "wiggly, not crunchy" if you want to get technical and all
"Oh yeah, just weigh the wiggly parts!"
hahahaha
"Oh yeah, just weigh the wiggly parts!"
hahahaha
"86% of the time it works 100% of the time".